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Room: TI_Reception
DafneG joined the room.
DavidWe hugs Daf
DavidWe: Hi there
DafneG: hi Everybody
DavidWe: Welcome back, Dennis
JeffC joined the room.
DafneG hugs David
DavidWe: Que tal?
DennisM: Hello Dafne
DafneG: hi Dennis, nice to see you here :-)
TeresaD joined the room.
DafneG hugs Tere
TeresaD: hi, everyone!
TeresaD hugs daf :-)
JeffC waves to Terersa and Dafne.
DennisM: Hello Teresa
DafneG waves hi to Jeff
TeresaD: hi there, jeff! long time no see
DavidWe waves to Teresa
DavidWe: Bom Dia
TeresaD: and hello, dennis
TeresaD: bom tarde to you, david!
DavidWe: Not here it isn't!
DavidWe smiles
DafneG: I just talked to Steven in YM, he was unsure of the GMT time
DennisM: I am part of your PP104 class
TeresaD: wow, it's been a long time since i've been to TI
...
JeffC: Do you guys want a quick tour of Tapped In now?
DafneG: we are here waiting to have a chat with our TESOL PP104
participants, Jeff
JeffC: ok
DafneG: Dennis is here, and some others will come in about 10 min
JaneBr joined the room.
JeffC: Are you going to hold it in your office?
DafneG: yes, as soon as they come here we will move to one of our
offices
TeresaD: steven will be here in a few minutes
...
DouglasWC joined the room.
DafneG: hi Douglas, welcome!
JeffC: Hi Doug
RonGst2: Are you the Dafne & Teresa of PP104 or are your names just
coincidental?
DafneG: hi Ron
RonGst2: Hi
DafneG: I am Daf, Ron
JeffC: That would be quite a coincidence Ron!
DafneG: lol
DafneG: Tere will be right back
RonGst2: How did we get in the right room? I didn't input anything
to get here.
DafneG: So we have Dennis, Ron, and Doug
JeffC: We're in Reception now Ron.
DafneG: and Steven will be arriving soon
JeffC: It's where Guests login to by default.
DennisM: Yes
RonGst2: ah
JeffC: They were waiting for you.
JeffC: If you have two minutes... you might want to register here.
DafneG: it would be a good idea, Ron
JeffC: As a member (it's free) you'll receive a transcript of your
session here.
DafneG: right
RonGst2: how?
JeffC: Guests don't receive transcripts.
DafneG: and you can even create your own office
JeffC: Go to
http://www.tappedin.org and click the "Become a member" link...
fill out the form.
JeffC: Takes two minutes.
TeresaD: hi, ron! i was away for a couple of minutes
DafneG: Douglas is also here, Tere
JeffC: The "Become a member" link is on the right side of the page.
DafneG: Ron is becoming a member
DennisM left the room (signed off).
RonGst2: I decided I'd rather not be a member. I don't want to give
them the information they demand.
DavidWe: which information is that, Ron?
DavidWe winks
RonGst2: locating information--it's none of their business
DafneG: this is a very safe environment, Ron, only educators and
students
DennisM joined the room.
DavidWe: I think you can be pretty anonymous, actually
DavidWe: Make up a phony address
DavidWe . o O ( if you prefer )
DavidWe agrees with Dafne
DafneG: there are many advantages for free professional development
DafneG: workshops take place everyday
DavidWe: Are you a teacher, Ron?
StevenJ joined the room.
DavidWe waves to Steven
DafneG waves hi to Steven
TeresaD: welcome, steven!
StevenJ: Hi!
DafneG: yes, Ron is one of the participants in our course, David
JeffC: Hide your email Ron... and/or use a spam account. If you
have K-12 students... this is the safest place on the Net for them.
DavidWe: What is the course, Daf?
StevenJ: thanks, wow, i'm exhausted just tring to log in
DavidWe hands Steven a bagel
DafneG: Teching Vocabulary and Grammar Online (a TESOL course)
TeresaD: what about me, david? :-(
DavidWe: would you like coffee with that, Steven?
DafneG: lol, Steven
StevenJ: anything stronger?
StevenJ: just kidding
DavidWe: The plate is in the kitchen, Teresa, I thought you knew
TeresaD: i would. decaf, pls
DavidWe: espresso?
DavidWe nods
DafneG: I am afraid Ihad the last half bagel on the tray
TeresaD: i'll get one then, david. thanks
DavidWe: New supply just arrived, Daf
DavidWe . o O ( really! )
DafneG: good to know!
RonGr joined the room.
RonGst2 left the room (signed off).
RonGr left the room (signed off).
DavidWe: I help people learn how to use things like TappedIn (other
educational technologies) Steven, feel free to ask questions
RonGr joined the room.
DafneG: welcome as a member, Ron :-)
DavidWe: Welcome to TappedIn, Ron
TeresaD: that was really quick, ron!
RitaX left the room (signed off).
RonGr: I guess I'm back. Why do they require fields to be filled in
& accept nonsense in those fields?
DafneG goes to the kitchen to get another bagel
DavidWe has his old TappedIn t-shirt by his left arm
DavidWe: Maybe I should put it on
DavidWe: Basic information
DavidWe: For some of us, Ron, it's nice to know where in the world
people are
DafneG: I miss my pet left at old TI
DavidWe: If you don't want people to know, TappedIn won't make you
tell them
DavidWe agrees with Daf, again
TeresaD: me too, daf
DavidWe: I generally miss old TI
DavidWe: But!
DafneG: the attention getters were wonderful
TeresaD: c'est la vie, david!
DavidWe: C'est vrai
DavidWe: Plus ça change
DafneG: do you think others will come, Tere?
DafneG: should we move to one of our offices?
TeresaD: i guess. over to yours?
DennisM: How do we do that?
DafneG: yes, I will go, and you follow me
DavidWe: We'll help, Dennis
DafneG: David can you help them move?
DafneG: thanks
DavidWe: Think of TappedIn as a virtual building (actually a campus)
DavidWe nods
DavidWe: Buildings have floors, floors have rooms, etc.
DafneG left the room.
DavidWe: You can have a virtual office in this, the main TappedIn
building
DavidWe: So, to join Dafne...
DavidWe: click on the Online tab - do you see it next to the chat
area, on the left
DavidWe: You'll see her name in that list
DavidWe: Click once on her name, then click on the little icon of a
door at the bottom of the list of names
RonGr left the room.
DavidWe: That will take you to where she is, "Dafs-nook2"
DennisM: OK
DavidWe: Let me know if something doesn't make sense or if you are
having difficulty
DennisM left the room.
TeresaD left the room.
Room: Dafs-nook2
TeresaD joined the room.
DouglasWC joined the room.
DafneG: Welcome everybody
TeresaD: hi daf!
StevenJ joined the room.
DafneG: you can look around!
TeresaD: hi everyone! that was fast!!!
TeresaD: welcome, doug
StevenJ: hi everyone...
TeresaD: i didn't see you at the reception
TeresaD: how are things in all your neck of the woods? the weather
in the lisbon area is wonderful
DafneG: it is hot and sunny here in Caracas
TeresaD: i'll go out for a walk when we finish
StevenJ: Me too
DafneG: too humid for my taste
DennisM: It is cool and cloudy here in Guayaquil.
DafneG: the weather in Spain was wonderful last week
TeresaD: it was quite hot yesterday, daf. 34 i saw on tv
StevenJ: Teresa I have non-related question
DafneG: in the East coast it was always around 25-27
TeresaD: go ahead, steven
StevenJ: Do you know of anyone in Portugal who offers online
Portuguese courses?
RonGr: In Flagstaff it's already fall--in a few weeks it'll freeze
at night. It's beautiful in the daytime, though.
DafneG listens to Stevens
TeresaD: no, i don't. :-(
DafneG: I love cold weather
TeresaD: but i can try and find out
StevenJ: I want to see if online learning is feasible for beginners
TeresaD: i see
StevenJ: and i need to try a language I'm not familiar with at all
StevenJ: I did a search, but no luck
TeresaD: i'll ask a colleague at school. maybe she knows of someone
StevenJ: What's your opinion?
StevenJ: do you think someone could learn a language online?
StevenJ: entirely?
DafneG: I think it all depends on the method, the teacher, and the
student
TeresaD: i have no experience, steven, so no opinion. however, there
are many different tools that can make it possible
DafneG: not everybody is for online learning
DennisM: I guess it would depend on the technology available. With
something like Skype it might be possible
TeresaD: if you think of YM, with text and voice, plus web pages,
you're on to quite a lot
DafneG: a combination of synchronous and asynchronous modes would be
ideal
RonGr: Why would you want to exclude the nonvirtual world from your
learning?
DafneG: I have used skype for some spanish lessons
DennisM: I agree with Dafne some people would miss the f2f
interaction
StevenJ: It isn't a question of wanting to, sometimes it's a
necessity
TeresaD: and you can use audacity to record
TeresaD: that's right, steven
DafneG: e-learning requires autonomous learners
TeresaD: and for someone in mexico wanting to learn portuguese, i
guess the nonvirtual world is a remore possibility
StevenJ: Yes, unless you live in a city
TeresaD: i had to turn down online tutoring in english the other
day. just too many already in my day!
DennisM: Everyone is autonomous when motivated. I see children learn
to use Playstation games in English all the time and then there is
Yugi Yo
TeresaD: right, steven
TeresaD: but children have a special intuition for all these new
tools. it's amazing
TeresaD: yugi go? i don't think I've heard of that, dennis
RonGr: I think they have the patience to try-&-err until they
discover a way to do it.
DafneG: that's what motivates them, Ron, discovering how something
works
TeresaD: true. but they discover so fast. that's what amazes me more
DennisM: That is a card game that 10 year olds all over the world
are crazy about. They even buy and sell cards on eBay
TeresaD: i see
TeresaD: and now ther's the sudoku craze. that game with numbers
DennisM: Yes the world of children is often unknown to us adults. I
only found out because my son asked to use my credit card to buy a
set of cards.
DafneG: you can all create your own offices here at Tapped In
DafneG: for free
DafneG . o O ( sorry I introduced a new topic oops )
DennisM: How do you do that?
TeresaD: daf, i was going to ask if you are all more or less
familiar with TI, or is it a first time?
TeresaD: david weksler in the reception is a great helpdesk
DafneG: and Jeff
RonGr: 1st time for me
DennisM: I have heard about it but this my first time online here
DouglasWC: ditto
StevenJ: i was briefly exposed to it, but have never used it. This
seems like a great way to be connected with other teachers
DafneG: you go to the "ME" button on the top of the screen and then
you see the link to create your own office
DennisM: Thanks
DafneG: if you would like to have a larger screen go to the
"Actions" pull down menu on the right, and select "Detach"
DafneG: you can also have larger fonts
DennisM: And what about the waves, etc.?
DafneG: to emote you need to write a colon and then the action
DafneG says hello
DennisM: Ok : smile
TeresaD: good!
DafneG: almost
DafneG: first thing, write the colon
TeresaD: the example is correct, you just need to take out the ok,
dennis
DafneG: without the ok
DennisM: I see
DennisM smile
DafneG applauds
TeresaD: great!
StevenJ scratches his head
TeresaD: lol
DafneG: wonderful!
DafneG . o O ( this guys learn fast )
RonGr: I don't see an emoticon, just the word "smile."
DafneG: it is not an emoticon, just emote (actions)
RonGr aaah
DafneG . o O ( oops, these )
DennisM: You mentioned you have used TappedIn with you students what
were their reactions?
StevenJ: should i be seeing a choice of actions?
StevenJ: :
TeresaD: we've had many presentations and prof dev sessions at TI.
in fact, our (daf and i) first online pres. ever was here at TI
DafneG: there is "text command list" under the actions menu
DafneG: right, Tere, it seems so far away
TeresaD: it was about carnival in portugal, spain, brazil, etc
TeresaD: it sure does
TeresaD: and then we had a cooking lesson
StevenJ: I think i cheated
TeresaD: i have never brought students here. don't know why, really
RonGr: What are we? chopped liver?
DafneG: I have brought some of my students, not as assignment, but
to talk
TeresaD: i've also used it to collaborate with colleagues and chat
with their students
DafneG: if you are not around people can leave messages on the
whiteboard
DennisM: Just wondering. All my students chat but sometimes they
resent teachers entering "their space" ;-)
DafneG: you can read the messages on my whiteboard
TeresaD: but we can have assigned chats with them, dennis
TeresaD: as part of their work
DennisM: My students have responded positively to Nicenet however
TeresaD: that's great
DafneG: my students love doing group work in YM
DennisM: They are even pressuring their other professors to use it.
DafneG: I will be presenting a conversational anaylisis of 30 chat
sessions with my students at the Webheads in Action Online
Conference in November
DafneG: yes, Dennis, that's right
DennisM: I have tried that with a class I have the students formed
Buddy Groups and communicated with each other via chat.
DafneG: my students wished all the teachers are the university used
technology
TeresaD: that's a theory i've defended for some years. students
having teachers use these technologies will start pushing other
teachers to do so
DafneG: they write that in the feedback after each course
DafneG: they do not use the L1 when working in the chat room
DafneG: I need to be a police officer with 20 eyes when I do group
work f2f
StevenJ: What do you do in the case of students who don't have
access?
TeresaD: i've had 1-on-1 chats in english with my 2nd year EFLers at
MSN. they love it!
StevenJ: or isn't that an issue in your work?
RonGr: What keeps the chat in English?
DafneG: I make sure to have a computer lab available for them twice
a week
DennisM: I have been asked by the professor development center to
give a module on using technology in class. These courses are valid
for salary increases so maybe it will work
DennisM: I use chat logs to control that
DafneG: they know I will get the transcript, Ron...
TeresaD: right, dennis. the chat log is very useful for different
things
TeresaD: purposes, better said
RonGr aaah
DafneG: besides, I design task-based activities, related to their
field, and that keeps them motivated
RonGr: I thought it sounded to unnatural to be true (spontaneously)
RonGr: unless they didn't share the same L1
DafneG: but they stay engaged in their work for more time than what
I usually expect
StevenJ: I imagine initially they may be motivated by the logs, but
once they have experience and gain skill, it's fun to use the
language
DafneG: in my case they all speak Spanish
DafneG: in my case, they love to discuss about their field
DafneG: and I have mixed courses (students from different levels in
their career)
DennisM: In my case many of my students have chat buddies all over
the world and are used to chatting in English (eng). The difficult
part is to get them to bring the outside into the class:)
DennisM: They have a tendency to forget all the English they use in
real life as soon as they enter the classroom:-(
DafneG: last trimester I had colleagues from all over the world talk
about bridges in their cities
DafneG: and the students loved it
TeresaD: i loved that!
DafneG: yes, Tere was one of the guests :-)
TeresaD: i did a session on a portuguese bridge i love and now the
company suggest my site when people ask info about the bridge.
DafneG: students reacted to these presentation on their blogs
TeresaD: inetrnal policy prevents them from having a link to my site
DennisM: Yes that is the great thing about the internet. It allows
our students to be in contact with real world English.
TeresaD: absolutely
TeresaD: and i had 2 od my 6th grade classes have their first voice
chat with two colleagues in taiwan and poland. it was a success
StevenJ: Teresa, do your students use American or English texts?
StevenJ: or a mix?
TeresaD: mainly english. that's still the biggest influence in
portugal
DennisM: Here in Ecuador we use a mix
DafneG: In Spain they use mainly English texts
TeresaD: but i use american english all the time
DafneG: I don't use textbooks, only authentic material
TeresaD: but AE is getting widely accepted now
StevenJ: In Mexico there is such a prejudice regarding English
DafneG: meaning?
DennisM: Most of our students are familiar with Am. Eng. from music.
Even Mick Jagger sings in Am. Eng.:-)
RonGr: A Dutch person told me they all have to study English, but at
some point they have to choose between British & American & for the
rest of their careers be perfectly consistent. Not even native
speakers ever do that.
DafneG: right, Dennis :-)
StevenJ: that people believe that British English is better, for
prestige
StevenJ: I live in an area where tourism is the ONLY source of
revenue, and 80% of tourists are American
DafneG: My experience in Holland, speaking with people in the
streets, is that they study American English
TeresaD: i've laways considered that a 'snobbish' attitude, steven,
and have always ought against it
DennisM: But even most of the British don't speak the prestige
dialect
TeresaD: right, dennis
StevenJ: I think each area has its own prestige variety
TeresaD: right
DafneG: I think that all varieties should be considered and we
should exposed our students to them
DennisM: Isn't that one of the hidden agendas of University?
RonGr: & in some cases the prestige is opposite--my mother was
always telling me not to say "ya" for "yes" but Brits tell me "ya"
is upper-class
TeresaD: right. and there are so many varieties nowadays
StevenJ: When i want to make the point, I just say that thinking
British English is somehow superior to American, is just like saying
that Spanish from Spain is better than Mexican Spanish
StevenJ: That usually hits home
DafneG: I am sure it does :-)
RonGr: Most Spaniards would say their home variety is superior.
DafneG: Spanish in Spain varies from region to region
DennisM: Catalan, Barcelona?
TeresaD: and we do have to really start accepting the varieries
since non-native speakers have now outnumbered native speakers by
far
DafneG: no, I mean Spanish
DafneG: not their regional languages
DafneG: right, Tere
StevenJ: Teresa , how do you grade spelling? Either?
TeresaD: either
TeresaD: but they tend to use the brit spelling bec. it's in the
book
DennisM: Either
TeresaD: but i love to call their attention to the amer. spelling
DennisM: That is how it is in real life
DafneG: both varieties should be accepted
StevenJ: And what do you use teresa?
RonGr: Canadians use both spellings.
StevenJ: You studied in the states, right, during formative years?
TeresaD: i have colleagues who just wouldn't accept the amer.
spelling a few years ago. i had big battles!
TeresaD: my accent is a mix, but much more american.
TeresaD: i have a much bigger american influence in my speaking and
writing
DafneG: My son studied in bilingual schools (American) and recently
he went for a conversation class to the BC, and they wanted him to
change his pronunciation
TeresaD: i did study in the states for 4 years
StevenJ: For me I love variety, and enjoy the differences. More
important than which way they spell, for me has been to get them to
be open-minded, I think with an open mind people learn languages
much better. So the attitude concerns me when people think one is
better.
DafneG: I totally agree wth you, Steven
TeresaD: i agree, steven
DennisM: Ditto
StevenJ: so what did you tell your son?
TeresaD: and that's another great advantage of these comm. tools:
opening up minds and horizons
DafneG: he said he would not change his pronunciation, that he just
wanted to practice his English
TeresaD: certainly!
StevenJ: I had a little girl come and tell me that her dad said i
don't have an elegant accent. I asked how he knew...she said
because he told her i don't speak british English
DafneG: he said that if it was not possible he would quit
RonGr: A Japanese friend who lives in Scotland said when she first
went to Britain she commented on the "strange" accent of the South
Asian population. A British friend said, "Yes, but we understand
them" (as opposed to you).
DafneG: lol
TeresaD: when we still have this kind of attitude, how can we expect
people to embrace these technologies soon?
TeresaD: lol ron
StevenJ: Is there the same situation with portuguese?
TeresaD: the attitude i meant was wanting foe daf's son to change
pronunciation
DafneG: It is hard for me to keep doing my blended courses at the
university
StevenJ: in what respect?
TeresaD: the older generation tecahers here tend to understand BE
better, but not so with the younegr ones
DafneG: they think I am a weirdo
StevenJ: But if you understand a language well, you should
understand all varieties, right?
DafneG: they think I don't work because I work online, when it is
the opposite
DouglasWC: When the millennials and post-millennials begin to
supplant baby-boomers and (yes) gen-Xers in the profession, I think
it will be a natural move....
DennisM: What are the attitudes towards Brazilian Portugese?
TeresaD: same at my school, though there's no opposition. they just
don't care less
DafneG: that's the idea, Steven we should be able to understand all
speakers of English not only Brits
StevenJ: I mean if i hear dafne speak spanish, I doubt that I would
have a problem understanding her, even if SHE has an accent...jeje
TeresaD: we accept BPort. no problem
DennisM: I am lucky I work in a Polytechnic University so everyone
loves technology. It is more a problem of catching up.
TeresaD: adn there are official agreements
DennisM: For example, our university is going to be the Internet2
node for Ecuador Yea!!
DafneG: the funny thing is that I work in a technical university,
but for them technology is inside the computers
TeresaD: we've also had a lot of brazilian soap operas for about 25
years and they're a big success
DafneG: not for education
DafneG: not for communication
TeresaD: and now we also have a lot of brazilian immigrants
DafneG: not for interaction
StevenJ: How different are the accents between Brazil and Portugal?
StevenJ: I mean like Canada and the States, or more like England and
the States?
TeresaD: quite different, steven. ours is harsher, theirs is soft
and melodic
DennisM: I am happy that is not my case. Even the Professors
Association only communicates via email and its website not paper
TeresaD: more like england and the states
DafneG: the brazilian soap operas were a hit in Venezuela, too
DennisM: And Ecuador:-)
DafneG: lol
TeresaD: they have fabulous actors!
TeresaD: and actresses ;-)
StevenJ: I started learning Spanish watching soaps
StevenJ: they talk so slow and with so much expression...
DafneG: not the ones from Venezuela, they scream, cry, shout, use
slang
TeresaD: dennis, what a great situation you have at your univ.
DafneG: yes, you are lucky, Dennis
StevenJ: of course my friends thought i spoke with a lot of drama
TeresaD: lol
DafneG: lol
DafneG: csl
DennisM: I noticed that the BBC has started a soap for English
learners on their site
StevenJ: Oh, well then now you would think i learned spanish with
venezuelan soaps! jeje
DafneG: oh, yes, I saw it, Dennis
TeresaD: are you referring to the flatmates?
DennisM: Yes
DafneG: brb
DennisM: Have any of you used the website MyEFA?
TeresaD: not me, dennis. URL, pls
DennisM: It is done in Soap style. My students love it
RonGr: what is it?
DennisM: www.myefa.org
TeresaD: thanks, dennis
StevenJ: What is efa? sorry?
DafneG: back
DennisM: It is an site for adult English learners hosted in CA. It
deals with the trials and tribulations of immigrants.
StevenJ: thanks..
DennisM: English for All
TeresaD: i'll look at it later
DennisM: It is a very complete site it even tracks your students for
you
DennisM: and its free
...
DouglasWC: Took a look at cdlponline...Is their any authentic
materials, or is it all adaptations of authentic materials?
...
DouglasWC: I like what I see on My EFA so far....
DafneG: I am bookmarking the sites to take a look later
StevenJ: me too
...
DafneG: well, guys it has been very nice to meet you all here
today, but it is lunch time and I need to go
DafneG: family time :-)
TeresaD: i also need to go check on my parents upstairs. it's been
great!
StevenJ: thanks...I enjoyed this a lot...have a great weekend
everyone!
TeresaD: it's quite sad to see yours parents really ageing!
DennisM: Yes, I have to eat breakfast. Nice chatting with all of you
and thank you for the introduction to TappedIn
TeresaD: you all have a great weekend too!
RonGr: hasta pronto
DafneG: we will be posting the transcript to D2L (without the
political issues)
TeresaD: fair enough, daf
RonGr left the room (signed off).
StevenJ: ok, i should edit myself
DafneG: see you, have a nice day!
TeresaD: bye everyone!
StevenJ: bye
TeresaD left the room (signed off).
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