TESOL: PP 104
Teaching Vocabulary and
Grammar Online
May 2005
Chatlog Week 3, May 21
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Venue: Tapped In Moderator: Teresa Participants: Dennis, Marjorie, Katherine |
| Room: TeresaD_CybDen > > TeresaD joined the room. > > DennisOl joined the room. > > TeresaD: welcome, dennis > > DennisOl: Bon dia! > > MarjoriGst2 joined the room. > > TeresaD: boa tarde! ;-) > > DennisOl: Or is it Bom? > > TeresaD: welcome marjorie :-) > > MarjoriGst2: tudo bem? > > KatherinH joined the room. > > TeresaD: tudo muito bem! > > MarjoriGst2: otimo > > TeresaD: welcome katherine! :-) > > DennisOl: Eu ben, obrigado. > > DennisOl: Oops--bem. > > TeresaD: we have lots of speakers of portuguese :-) > > KatherinH: Hi Teresa > > DennisOl: Only a few words from me, unfortunately. > > DennisOl: Hi, Katherine! > > TeresaD: as you may remember, you can click the Actions menu and detach this frame to make it bigger > > KatherinH: Hi Dennis > > TeresaD: and you can also click the Font menu and make it bigger > > MarjoriGst2: thanks for the tips > > TeresaD: welcome > > DennisOl: The font is OK, but I like the detached frame much better. > > MarjoriGst2: ditto > > KatherinH: Dennis thanks again for all the feedback > > DennisOl: Katherine: Christos anesti! > > DennisOl: Katherine: Parakaló! > > KatherinH: Alithos Anesti! > > TeresaD: well, i believe there was a bit of confusion about the topics for the chat today: exercise makers as well as working with computers and ??? oops, forgot! :-( > > TeresaD: anyway, we can talk about anything you like > > DennisOl: Any or all of the above would be good for topics. > > TeresaD: dennis, how interesting that you know so many webheads. you should certainly join a.s.a.p > > TeresaD: we have all sorts of tech-savvy levels of knowledge > > KatherinH: Teresa: was there an article that we were supposed to read, because I couldn't find one > > DennisOl: I think maybe I will, Tere. I have to say that I would feel kind of like a poor relative, though! > > TeresaD: you don't need to feel intimidated by that at all > > DennisOl: Tere: If everyone is as welcoming as you and Dafne, I won't. > > TeresaD: not at all, dennis. in fact, any of you can join. we love to have new members > > TeresaD: thank you, dennis. very sweet! :-) > > MarjoriGst2: Fantastic. I started looking at the site and thought it was great. > > DennisOl: One thing that really impresses me with WH is that it's such a vibrant, active community. > > TeresaD: marjorie, maybe the site you looked at is the Becoming a Webhead site, the one daf and i co-moderate > > DennisOl: Not sweet, T: that's how I feel. > > MarjoriGst2: that's the one > > DennisOl: It's terrific, isn't it, M? > > TeresaD: it certainly is, dennis. and i've gotten to the point where i have to start saying 'no' - i hate that! - bec. the action is on all year round > > MarjoriGst2: Yes, I'm inspired to learn more > > DennisOl: I think maybe that's part of what makes me hesitant--maybe a BIG part. > > TeresaD: well, marjorie, the 'mother' group, as i call it, is Webheads in Action > > DennisOl: not the learning more, but the action going on all the time. > > MarjoriGst2: D & T, how do you balance regular class prep with teaching community activities? > > TeresaD: true. but you only take part in so much! i'm always in action, > bec. i've been one of the very active members from the beginning. as daf ans several others > > KatherinH: Teresa:how tech savvy do you need to be to join Webheads? > > DennisOl: It's very difficult, T. > > TeresaD: it's quite hard, marjorie. that's why i've had to start using 'no' in my community vocab :-( > > DennisOl: But I'm also learning to say "no." > > TeresaD: you can be a beginner, katherine. there are always people to help out! > > DennisOl: I can probably say it in 20 different languages! > > TeresaD: lol > > TeresaD: you have to teach me some, dennis ;-) > > DennisOl: And remember, K: we're all beginners at some level and we can always learn something new even when we're not. (I guess I should follow my own advice, eh Tere?) > > TeresaD: here's the webhead YG URL > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evonline2002_webheads/ > > MarjoriGst2: thanks > > TeresaD: very true, dennis > > DennisOl: Definitely! > > KatherinH: you're right Dennis > > TeresaD: and because we are a very warm and helpful group of people, new members of any level of expertise feel great > > DennisOl: Yes, I can already vouch for that--even though I'm not a member. > > DennisOl: Yes, remember that, K. > > TeresaD: we have a very recent member who, with the help of vance stevens, our coordinator, is already involved in an interaction with a colleague in china > > KatherinH: Ok, I will > > DennisOl: Wonderful, T! > > TeresaD: she's amazed at how much she has done in such a short time with us > > DennisOl: One of my colleagues at work is also involved with a Chinese colleague. > > KatherinH: that sounds exciting! > > TeresaD: fabulous, isn't it? and it's so motivating for the students > > MarjoriGst2: Do all of you find that you're using more & more technology in teaching? > > DennisOl: Definitely exciting! > > TeresaD: and they can learn vocab and grammar in an integrated way! :-) > > DennisOl: M: Yes--but the more I use, the less time I seem to have to make it work well. > > MarjoriGst2: How so? > > TeresaD: i am, marjorie. i use it on a weekly basis with my 6th graders. they're 2nd year EFLers > > KatherinH: what do you mean Dennis? > > DennisOl: BTW, here's a photo of my colleague, his Chinese colleague, and some of my students. (The Chinese colleague was at our college early in Spring Semester on an exchange visit. My colleague is visiting her university this summer.) > > DennisOl: http://www.d-oliver.net/108-gallery/China-Visitor.htm > TeresaD: click CTRL before clicking the link > > MarjoriGst2: Great picture > > DennisOl: K: New uses of technology mean learning to use new software and hardware and figuring out ways for my students to use them in a meaningful, productive way. > > TeresaD: very nice, dennis. > > DennisOl: Thanks, Tere. > > DennisOl: Example: Our college has a subscription to Wimba (a streaming audio application). > > DennisOl: I'd love to use it in my pronunciation class, but haven' > > DennisOl: . . . but haven't figured it out yet. Maybe I will this summer. > > TeresaD: but what you can do is stick tosome software that you feel works and try different applications, instaed of using different software all the time > > DennisOl: True. > > MarjoriGst2: There is so much out there > > DennisOl: I also love materials creation and I'd really like to know how to make things with Flash. > > DennisOl: I have to learn how to use it first, though. > > TeresaD: i've been workig with blogs with my students for 2 years now, together with voice mail. sometimes i introduce something new just to spark their imagination > > DennisOl: Thanks (re the picture), M. > > MarjoriGst2: T - how do you use voicemail? > > DennisOl: M: I don't! I encourage my students to use e-mail as much as possible. > > TeresaD: the other day i introduced a map that shows many addresses we write. they saw our school while in class. you can't imagine the excitement!!! > > DennisOl: M: I _could_ use voicemail, but it adds another need for time and for making sure I schedule enough of it to do this and that. > > TeresaD: voice mail, marjorie? i use handybits and sitepal. they write out a message in class and record it. then we send it to an e-pal, a colleague of mine, etc > > DennisOl: Actually, using voicemail is a good idea, though. I'll have to rethink it. Thanks, M! > > KatherinH: so do your students do this online work in-class, T or at home? > > TeresaD: we record a message with handybits in 2 minutes or less and send it out at once! they love it! > > TeresaD: in class, K > > TeresaD: i take my laptop to make things easier > > TeresaD: let me show you a page where you can get an idea > > DennisOl: I'd like to use computers more in class, but many of our classrooms have only one computer. > > TeresaD: > http://wwwin.malhatlantica.pt/teresadeca/school/fun-with-english5.htm > > TeresaD: remember to click CTRL > > DennisOl: We _do_ have wireless laptops available, but you have to schedule them in advance, then make sure they're secure until the IT people pick them up. It takes time to do all of this. > > KatherinH: my classroom has not computer, I guess I would have to take them to the computer lab. > > TeresaD: dennis, that's exactly how i've been doing things this year. one computer only and a video beam. > > DennisOl: Thanks for the above, Tere. I just added the URL to my bookmarks. > > TeresaD: the above link is to my T-S blog and after each CALL lesson, i write up a text about what we did. it'll give you an idea > > DennisOl: Thanks. > > MarjoriGst2: I liked the student blog, it looks like they have a lot of fun with it > > TeresaD: last year we worked with 6 computers, so i had 2 students at each > > TeresaD: they sure do, marjorie > > TeresaD: and some send messages from home. i always answer, which is one of the things they like > > DennisOl: We have projection capability, also. I use the single computer pretty effectively in my pronunciation class (one student is "computer operator," the others do the exercise, I observe and help). If I want really individualized, interactive SUSTAINED work, I think I'd need at least one computer for every 2 students, though. > > TeresaD: that's true, dennis > > MarjoriGst2: D & K: do you have the option to reserve a computer lab? > > MarjoriGst2: I was able to do that when I worked in a small university > > TeresaD: but i didn't believe we could do so much with only 1 computer till this year! > > DennisOl: I'm getting more and more attracted to the use of blogs. When I first heard of them a while back, I didn't like them--because so many of them were "confessional" or examples of "personal odyssies." People (like you and Dafne) have found some very student-involving, communicative ways to use them, though, so my opinion is changing big time! > > DennisOl: M: We don' > > DennisOl: . . . don > > KatherinH: M:I have the option, but until recently I didn't have the knowledge > > DennisOl: (trying to type too fast) > > TeresaD: i can also reserve the computer lab with 15 computers, but i am much more limited in what i can do. so i decided to do it this way, have all the freedom i need, and the kids are really enjoying it! > > DennisOl: We don't have a computer lab per se. What we have is a lot of computers set aside for student use in our Information Commons (library-computer room). > > TeresaD: dennis, i felt like you and then changed my mind when i read aaron campbell's article > > MarjoriGst2: Aaron Campbell? > > TeresaD: just a sec, marj. i'm trying to get the link > > TeresaD: http://iteslj.org/Techniques/Campbell-Weblogs.html > > MarjoriGst2: Thank you! > > TeresaD: it's a very simple article, but it gives great ideas to start with > > TeresaD: welcome > > TeresaD: this was two years ago. since then he has been involved in so many other things > > DennisOl: Thanks, Tere. I just bookmarked it. > > KatherinH: thank you, Teresa > > TeresaD: he also co-moderated an EVO session on blogging this year > > TeresaD: this article made all the difference for me regarding blogs > > DennisOl: I'll be sure to give it a good read, then. > > TeresaD: and my students love our blog > > DennisOl: I think my students might like it, too. > > KatherinH: T, O, and M how difficult is it to set up a blog? > > TeresaD: there are lots of things about blogs that you can look at > > DennisOl: particularly the students I have for grammar and writing--and maybe the ones I have in for-credit English composition. > > KatherinH: such as? > > TeresaD: it isn't, K. you can follow 3 simple steps with www.blogger.com > > KatherinH: Thanks for the URL T! > > TeresaD: welcome, K > > DennisOl: Yes, thanks. Can you password-protect the blogs created with Blogger.com? > > TeresaD: i'm not sure, dennis, because i'm not a frequent user :-( > > DennisOl: I'll look into it, then. > > TeresaD: if you want a lot of info on blogs, you can start with this page i try to keep updated (but it's difficult!) > > TeresaD: > http://wwwin.malhatlantica.pt/teresadeca/webheads/online-learning-environments.htm#Blogs > > DennisOl: BTW, Ann Salzmann has done some very interesting things with grammar--much of it involving online work. > > TeresaD: URL? > > TeresaD: for AnnS, i mean > > DennisOl: I'll send the Salzmann URL in a minute. > > TeresaD: ok, dennis > > DennisOl: Thanks for the "learning environments" URL. > > TeresaD: welcome. i have a lot of updating to do over the summer > > DennisOl: Here's the Salzmann URL: > > TeresaD: see, marj, it's hard to keep up with everything. but i do love this online world :-) > > DennisOl: http://www.iei.uiuc.edu/structure/structure1/salzmann_index.html > > DennisOl: Check out what she does with grammar journals and "Grammar Safari." > > MarjoriGst2: T - I see, but the resources are endless > > TeresaD: i have it! > > TeresaD: they sure are, marj > > DennisOl: M: True--and I guess that's something to keep in mind. It's impossible to keep on top of what's out there, but one should still try. > > MarjoriGst2: I like the info I get from courses like this > > DennisOl: And that's a good way to get the info. > > MarjoriGst2: recommendations from other teachers > > DennisOl: Definitely. > > TeresaD: and i repeat: whatever you decide to use, use it extensively, explore it well, let it grow and show! > > DennisOl: Good advice, but hard to follow! > > TeresaD: and prove itself! > > MarjoriGst2: I wish more sites included feedback mechanisms > > DennisOl: But it's like life itself: you can be interested in EVERYTHING, but you have to pick and choose. > > TeresaD: dennis, i did that with email exchanges: 3! and now i'm in my third year with blogs > > TeresaD: exactly, dennis > > DennisOl: I do too, M, but feedback mechanisms are actually a rarity. > > TeresaD: i'll have to look at the annS site later, dennis. thanks > > DennisOl: I hear you, Tere. > > TeresaD: you know that we, webheads, have a great habit of giving feedback. it's been very helpful > > DennisOl: I still subscribe to TESOL-L, TESOLMW-L, NEATCH-L and a number of others. > > DennisOl: Yes, do take a look at Ann's site. > > TeresaD: i wish i could find sth for my students, but it's too advanced > > DennisOl: Do you know about the TESOL student e-mail lists? > > MarjoriGst2: No. what's that, D > > DennisOl: They're from Latrobe University (in Australia, I think). I'll see what I can find out for you. > > TeresaD: do you mean the ones run by tom robb? > > DennisOl: Yes--at least he USED to run it. > > DennisOl: Info on it and some other sites is here: > > DennisOl: http://www.az-tesol.org/webliography/student-e-lists.htm > > TeresaD: he still does, dennis > > DennisOl: Ah, I see. > > DennisOl: The above URL is from a website I manage. > > TeresaD: this interactive map is another thing my students love http://tinyurl.com/6hu2o > > TeresaD: you can all go there and post yourselves in it and leaving a message for them. they love it! > > MarjoriGst2: Hey -- that's really cool > > TeresaD: and leave... sorry! > > DennisOl: That's really nice. I'll have to add something like that to my class pages. > > TeresaD: we have several messages from other colleagues of ours who work with me, or have, like glenn rutland in florida > > KatherinH: I just bookmarked it! It looks like a lot of fun T ! > > DennisOl: I could also add the interactive map to my "English-Q" page. > > TeresaD: it's nice when we are interacting with people from so many different places. it shows them how far their wrok has reached and they feel very proud :-) > > DennisOl: Yes, definitely! > > TeresaD: sure, dennis > > TeresaD: you can create one at www.bravenet.com > > DennisOl: English-Q: > > DennisOl: http://www.d-oliver.net/online-learning/English-Q.htm > > KatherinH: Thanks D! Looks like a great website! > > DennisOl: Parakaló, K! > > TeresaD: dennis, claire b. siskin is a dear friend and i've also met susan gaer. actually, we are working together in TESOL TAC > > DafneG joined the room. > > DafneG: helloooooo > > DennisOl: Dafne! > > TeresaD: hi, daf! welcome! > > KatherinH: Hi Dafne! > > TeresaD: how are you? and how's the conf? > > DafneG: I am glad to be here, even if late > > TeresaD: we've had a great exchnage of ideas and sites > > DafneG: the conference is fine, I just went to a session with Donald Freeman > > MarjoriGst2: and many new sites > > TeresaD: working with computers!!! ;-) > > DafneG: well, only 2 computers to be used by hotel guests :-( > > TeresaD: i see > > DafneG: Freeman works with Christine Bauer-Ramazani > > TeresaD: when's your pres.? > > DafneG: this afternoon > > MarjoriGst2: good luck > > TeresaD: ah! didn't know > > DafneG: thanks! > > TeresaD: knock them dead, daf!!! ;-) > > DennisOl: Braiden Sisken, Gaer, Freeman, Bauer-Ramazani--all big names, all people I admire. > > KatherinH: good luck!! > > DafneG: I will be talking about WEbheads, BaW, ZPD, scaffolding, et c > > MarjoriGst2: I must sign off, now. > > KatherinH: how interesting! > > MarjoriGst2: this has been fun > > DafneG: I was with Susan Gaer in Medellin, last year > > TeresaD: absolutely, dennis. same here > > DennisOl: Take care, M. I enjoyed this! > > MarjoriGst2: me, too > > TeresaD: bye, marj. thanks for coming! > > DafneG: sorry to be late > > MarjoriGst2 left the room (signed off). > > DafneG: I am eager to read the chatlog :-) > > DennisOl: I'm sure your presentation will be dynamite, Daf. > > TeresaD: me too, dennis > > DafneG: thanks, Dennis > > DennisOl: ^o^ > > DafneG: it is the only pres about e-learning > > DafneG: let's see if they are prepared for this ;-) > > TeresaD: guess what, daf? dennis will be our next webhead member :-) > > DennisOl: I can believe that. > > DafneG: wowowowowow!!!!! > > TeresaD: new member! > > DennisOl: (about only one presentation on e-learning) > > KatherinH: Daf: please let us know how it went, although I' sure you'll be fabulous > > DafneG: I will let you know > > DafneG: and will give you the link to the ppt > > TeresaD: you do that, daf. i'll be at YM later this evening, waiting!!! > > KatherinH: great! > > DennisOl: We have a Western Regional TESOL conference (states of Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Idaho) and these conferences DISCOURAGE presentations on e-learning--not explicitly, but implicitly: it's up to presenters to bring their own gear or make local rental arrangements. > > DafneG: well, I could not get Internet connection > > TeresaD: i'll send you the chatlog, but won't upload it so that we have all the Website in your server.ok, daf? > > DafneG: I am begging for a mouse > > DafneG: ok, Tere no prob > > DafneG: I will be updating our course page during this week > > TeresaD: fine > > DafneG: know what? I decided to get a plane ticket to go back > > DafneG: I did not sleep during the 10-hour bus drive > > TeresaD: katherine and dennis, i'd say that we really discussed the topic "Working with computers or communicating through computers?" agree? > > DennisOl: Ten hours on a bus? Oy! > > DafneG: I can be on a plane for 10 hours to go to Europe, but not to travel in my country > > TeresaD: poor you, daf! :-( > > DennisOl: Yes, we had all kinds of ideas and things to think about. > > DafneG: I was dead tired yesterday > > KatherinH: I agree Teresa! > > TeresaD: i think we covered the topic in an interesting and different way > > DennisOl: Definitely. > > TeresaD: i can imagine, daf > > DafneG: you guys are working so hard, I am very happy with the results of this course > > DennisOl: The chat wasn' > > TeresaD: me too! :-) > > DennisOl: . . . what I expected. It was MORE than I expected! > > DafneG: lol > > TeresaD: i'm so happy! > > KatherinH: Dennis :I agree > > KatherinH: I have to go! Talk to all of you later. Thank for the interesting conversation. > > DennisOl: I think all of us are happy, too, Tere. > > KatherinH: bye! > > TeresaD: thanks for being here, K > > TeresaD: bye! > > DafneG: I was a bit scared about having only 7 participants > > DennisOl: Take care, K. I really enjoyed being online with you! > > KatherinH left the room (signed off). > > DennisOl: I guess I should go, too. > > DennisOl: We're driving to the northern part of the state at mid-day and I want to do some gardening before we go. > > TeresaD: ok, dennis! thanks again for such a great participation over these 3 weeks and today > > DafneG: thanks for your participation, Dennis, you have been a wonderful student ;-) > > TeresaD: safe driving, dennis! > > DennisOl: It's been 1000% my pleasure. I can' > > TeresaD: and enjoy your day! > > DennisOl: . . . can't tell you how much I've enjoyed this course. > > DafneG: bye Dennis, take care! > > TeresaD: thanks so much. we're enjoying it a lot, too. :-) > > DafneG: yesss > > DennisOl: ¡Hasta que les guacho! > > TeresaD: lol > > DafneG: hasta que nos guachemos!! > > TeresaD: adeus, dennis. ate logo! > > DennisOl: Ate mas ver! > > TeresaD: ate mais ver! ate sempre! > > DennisOl: Hasta la próxima vez! > > DennisOl: Mais. La revedere! > > DennisOl: (That's Romanian. Interesting, no?) > > TeresaD: very! > > DafneG: I will have to go too, only have 20 minutes, will connect after my session, hugs > > TeresaD: break a leg, daf!!! :-) > > DennisOl: Hasta que nos guachemos: LUVIT! > > DafneG: thanks, see you later > > DafneG: bye > > TeresaD: see you! > > DennisOl: Now POOOF! I;m gone. > > DafneG left the room (signed off). > > TeresaD: see you too, dennis > > DennisOl left the room (signed off). > > TeresaD left the room (signed off). |