TESOL: PP 104
Teaching Vocabulary and
Grammar Online
May 2005
Chatlog week 2, May 14
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Moderators: Dafne and Teresa Participants: Dennis, Mary, Rae, Valerie, |
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DafneG joined the room. DafneG: hi Tere TeresaD: welcome daf :-) DennisOl joined the room. RaeR joined the room. TeresaD: welcome dennis DafneG: welcome Dennis TeresaD: welcome rae DafneG: welcome, Rae DennisOl: This is actually easy, but like everything else—only
if you RaeR: I had a lot of trouble getting the darn door open--got to
work DennisOl: Hi, everyone. DafneG: he he, Rae TeresaD: it wasn't locked, was it, rae? ;-) DennisOl: I'll be back in a few minutes. TeresaD: ok dennis DafneG: Teresa you need to change the lock :-) TeresaD: i guess, daf :-) RaeR: we are still missing people DafneG: yes MaryG joined the room. TeresaD: val and mary, isn't it? DafneG: welcome, Mary TeresaD: and where's katherine this week? DafneG: still need valerie TeresaD: welcome mary MaryG: Yes, I went to Dafne's nook by mistake! DafneG: he he TeresaD: but you travelled fast, mary MaryG: I was very lonely... DafneG: we met there last week RaeR: did someone go to get val? how does one do that? DafneG: my whiteboard is full of message, Mary DafneG: messages RaeR: whiteboard? TeresaD: have you read mine? DafneG: I will contact her RaeR: how do you contact her? MaryG: I see them. DafneG: with a private message RaeR: ah, I see the white board TeresaD: highlight her name and click the middle icon on the left
frame DafneG: If she sees the message, lol TeresaD: this will send her a private message RaeR: I clicked on her name and heard a sound but couldn't see
how to TeresaD: just write on the little window that opens up DafneG: look at the bottom of your screen, Rae DafneG: Maggi is trying to talk to her, but no answer TeresaD: maybe she's afk DafneG: it seems she went for a coffee TeresaD: in RL MaryG: Where can I find a list of all the abbreviations? RaeR left the room. TeresaD: RL: real life MaryG: Do you have one in your office Teresa? TeresaD: there are sites on the web, mary. let me find one for
you. TeresaD: no i don't DafneG: Maggi will guide her here when she shows up DennisOl: I'm back. I tried to use the whiteboard, but wasn't MaryG: You gave me a link before. How do you do that? DafneG: go to whiteboard on the left navigation bar, Dennis DafneG: just copied the url here in the text chat, Mary TeresaD: take a look at this one, mary http://www.acronymfinder.com/ TeresaD: press the CTRL button when you click on it DafneG: and click on "write on it" on the top of the screen DennisOl: Tere: Yes, I tried that. I can see the whiteboard and
the RaeR joined the room. TeresaD: wb rae RaeR: I was looking for Val MaryG: Thanks Teresa. ValerieTra joined the room. RaeR: Val--HI TeresaD: welcome val! :-) DafneG: welcome, valerie ValerieTra: Hi! I guess I'm here DafneG: I left a message, after Dennis' TeresaD: you sure are, val :-) RaeR: sit here next to me TeresaD: right, rae MaryG: Glad you made it Val. DafneG: but clean the seat first, Rae, there is a coffee spot there RaeR: darn TeresaD: lol DafneG: maybe I should be the one to clean it, it was me who spilled
RaeR: Is the whiteboard just for the person who has the office
or can TeresaD: mary, here's another good one! DafneG: my students leave messages on my wb, rae TeresaD: by others, too TeresaD: why don't you try it here? RaeR: tere what is the website. will be get a transcript to capture it DafneG: read the messsages Dennis and I posted just now MaryG: Can the writer erase, or only the teacher? TeresaD: a site for acronyms, rae. mary was asking about it DafneG: it will be in the chatlog RaeR: all I see is your welomce DennisOl: I didn't actually post a message. It just inserted my
DafneG: you need to refresh your page, rae RaeR: How? DafneG: well, that is a message DafneG: brb phone TeresaD: ok RaeR: I see I have to click on whiteboard on the left TeresaD: rae, click on whiteboard on the left. when you finish,
click DennisOl: Yes, I guess, but I couldn't type anything in the textbox.
Is TeresaD: that'll get you back to my homepage here TeresaD: which textbook, dennis? now it's me missing out MaryG: I see it takes some training to navigate. TeresaD: i agree, mary TeresaD: and since i dont come here often, for lack of time, i
keep DennisOl: When I select Whiteboard, I get a box with the welcome
DafneG: back RaeR: You may want to tell new people about how to detach the chat TeresaD: hmmm. let me check it DafneG: did you click on the "write on it" link? Dennis DafneG: at the top of the screen TeresaD: go ahead, rae, while i check the wb for dennis. ok? DennisOl: Yes, Daf. DafneG: hmmm RaeR: Go to the actions drop down menu and select detach--makes
it chat TeresaD: sure does, rae. thanks :-) DennisOl: Yes, I know I can do it, Mary, if I can get things to work. TeresaD: i did what daf is saying, dennis, and my msg is there DafneG: we have used our wb to write agendas for meetings DennisOl left the room (signed off). TeresaD: that's right, daf RaeR: so the messages will be there until you erase them? are you
TeresaD: oh dear, dennis must have clicked the wrong place DafneG: my students and colleagues left messages when they visit MaryG: People are coming and going...how do you do that? DafneG: no, Rae, I see them when I come TeresaD: well, i don't have the door locked, mary ;-) TeresaD: so anyone can come in RaeR: yes, each time I leave for some reason, I have to log in
TeresaD: dennis is not online. there must have been a problem DafneG: maybe they are going to different offices inside TI, Rae DafneG: right, Tere RaeR: What if I click on a link that was put into the chat--that
always DafneG: maybe you have a popup blocker, Rae TeresaD: daf, is there a specific tutorial at TI to teach us how
to use DafneG: yes, there is, but do not ask me where ;-) RaeR: that would be great TeresaD: press CTRL while clicking it DafneG: I guess at the reception, or clickin on the help tab TeresaD: ok, daf. good enough for me TeresaD: i'll ask bj DafneG: it is such a long time since I created my office, they
were TeresaD: try what i just said, rae http://www.netlingo.com/emailsh.cfm TeresaD: me too, daf TeresaD: rae, don't forget to press CTRL DafneG . o O ( I miss my dog that I left in the old TI ) MaryG left the room (signed off). TeresaD: it opens up a new window MaryG joined the room. TeresaD: and me my cat TeresaD: wb mary DafneG: hi Mary, had a good trip? TeresaD: was it the site i gave you that got you out? TeresaD: lol daf MaryG: I'm not quite sure what I just did! DafneG: I guess they have popup blockers TeresaD: lol MaryG: I saw that I was on Taped in twice. TeresaD: ok. let me give you the site again, but pls press the
CTRL key TeresaD: http://www.netlingo.com/emailsh.cfm DennisOl joined the room. DafneG: your alter ego, Mary RaeR: yes, I can hear the pop up blocker when I click on the link TeresaD: wb dennis MaryG: there was a message to sign in again, so I did. DennisOl: I'm on a PC now. DafneG: Denni's trip was longer than Mary's MaryG: Did it show me leaving? TeresaD: good for you, mary. obedient!!! ;-) DafneG: yes, Mary MaryG: Like I said, I feel like Alice. DafneG: well, kids, what was your group work? TeresaD: lol DafneG: like MaryG: Your smiles remind me of the cheshire cat, Teresa! TeresaD: i love smiling and laughing, mary. TeresaD: it's such great therapy! DennisOl: The issue was Mac vs PC. TeresaD: i see, dennis DafneG: you should see how Tere and I laugh while we work MaryG: Back to work...some of the assigned websites had so many links RaeR: I need to go soon, Do we have a topic (she is SO task oriented) TeresaD: hundreds of them, right, mary? MaryG: it was hard to know what to say in the description. DafneG: that's what teachers find when they get to these pages DafneG: what to do? TeresaD: i guess getting acquanited with TI has been a good topic
so DennisOl: I agree, Mary. DennisOl: Definitely, Dafne. RaeR: yes, I guess we have learned some new vocabulary MaryG: We ended up giving both a general description DafneG: Some of these sites are unexplorable for me MaryG: and a more specific one for voc and grammar TeresaD: thta's why i find it's great to stick for some time to
a DennisOl: And people who access these sites often don't have a
lot of RaeR: daf--why? MaryG: What do you mean Dafne? DafneG: because of the number of links and the time I have to prepare
ChristinLo joined the room. RaeR: ah TeresaD: lack of time, right, daf? DafneG: I can spend that time creating my own DafneG: yes TeresaD: hi christine! welcome DennisOl: I guess that's why links lists are so popular. DafneG: hi Chris RaeR: I find creating my own is usually better TeresaD: we are with a tesol group. our students at the moment ChristinLo: Hi Dafne and Teresa! ValerieTra: I loved getting more links to look at although it takes
DafneG: right, Rae, I agree MaryG: Rae, do you mean exercises or linked websites? RaeR: exercises TeresaD: i like having both, mine and others DafneG: my problem is that i do not find exercises for the courses
I DennisOl: I think creating my own link lists AND exercises are
best, TeresaD: absolutely, dennis RaeR: When you create your own you can be more recurrsive with
what is MaryG: I haven't created my own yet... TeresaD: for the level i teach there is a lot of good stuff DennisOl: Right--or the exercises that you DO fine are not a good
match ValerieTra: Sometimes looking at other exercises give you ideas
on what DafneG: you will next week, mary ;-) MaryG: only my own tasks to go with links I find. DennisOl: Oops: "that you DO find." RaeR: agree val--especially from you! DennisOl: I agree, Val. MaryG: me too, Val TeresaD: that's why this exploration work is also useful DennisOl: However, there's still the problem of time. TeresaD: always, dennis MaryG: not from experience, but from what others have said. DafneG: there is a great discussion going on at the professors
list at TeresaD: and? ValerieTra: However, the frustration is not knowing JavaScript, etc. DennisOl: What do they have to say, Daf? DafneG: some are really against it DennisOl: Why? ValerieTra: I have an article that says PPT makes you stupid DafneG: they say that it is a way to stop using languge DafneG: language DennisOl: I don't understand. TeresaD: me neither RaeR: I also like the idea of students creating some of the exercises
DafneG: I wanted to tell them about Valerie's ppts MaryG: Yes, please explain. TeresaD: right. and susan gaer's that you told us about, daf DafneG: they think that PPT's are too schematic DennisOl: PPt can be very powerful, but most people use PPt as
a kind DafneG: and students just concentrate on a piece of information TeresaD: they can be, or not! RaeR: Susan G? what was that one? TeresaD: so many aren't! DafneG: or that they only show images, or that they are too crowded DennisOl: Hear, hear, Daf! TeresaD: it's on one of the discussions, rae MaryG: Valerie are they talking about you? DafneG: a list of horrible things about PPT's RaeR: or that they are decontextualized MaryG: Can we see your PPT's? DafneG: a pity the messages are in Spanish DafneG: I wanted to show them to you DafneG: only one teacher is giving advantages... TeresaD: wow! DennisOl: Well, all of those complaints are valid, but they don't
HAVE DafneG: an English teacher ;-) TeresaD: and is the good part getting across to others? ValerieTra: Mary, I have one PPT posted under KWK RaeR: One can use pictures and embed listening clips or video clips
MaryG: At the community college where I worked, we used PPt for
student DafneG: well, Tere, I really don't know, because, like me many
others DennisOl: Right, Rae. I think you can also add hyperlinks, no? TeresaD: and that's whare daf told us about one of the uses susan
gaer MaryG: Thanks Val, I'll look. DafneG: I prefer to have a low profile in that list TeresaD: i see RaeR: I once made a PPt on using PPt in the classroom. I'll look
around DafneG: so I just read (a lurker) ;-) ChristinLo waves goodbye to all the TESOL teachers MaryG: I liked that you could put embedded exercises and more TeresaD: great idea, rae DennisOl: I think the DEFAULT settings of PPt lead to heavy emphasis
on DafneG: bye dear, nice to have you here :-) ChristinLo left the room. TeresaD: but the same can also be done on any normal webpage. it
DafneG: my students are creating wonderful brain maps using ppt RaeR: one can embed grammr/or vocab games like the have in quia
for 2 DennisOl: True, Tere, but putting something on a webpage adds RaeR: how do they do that? TeresaD: that it does, dennis RaeR: Just using the graph tools? DafneG: yes DennisOl: For example, you have to have webspace and you either
have to DafneG: I will put one on our site RaeR: great idea DafneG: I need to get it from my moodle to the hard disk DafneG: how did you feel working in a group? TeresaD: the same with a PPT, or how else will the students access it? DafneG: was it difficult to come to agreement DennisOl: I liked it, Daf. MaryG: group work motivated me. TeresaD: great, mary! DafneG -) MaryG: my partner started and I didn't want to let her down. TeresaD: lol DafneG . o O ( peer pressure ) MaryG: Yep.Sometimes it's hard though, timewise TeresaD: how true! ValerieTra: Peer pressure doesn't always work -- in another class,
it MaryG: what happened there, Val? MaryG: How did you resolve? RaeR: yes, then groups break down and people become angry ValerieTra: Two in a group & he waited 2 hours before something was due DennisOl: My partner and I have worked together well, I think. TeresaD: it also happens f2f, doesn't it? or there's always someone
ValerieTra: Yes, this group work was very nice and pleasant! TeresaD -) RaeR: are we talking about student groups in general or our group DafneG: or not even caring about the task DafneG: we are talking about your group work, and generilizing
some MaryG: Maybe that's why it's good to have group and idiv parts
to the MaryG: I mean individual. DafneG: I always use cooperative learning techniques, especially
the ValerieTra: Mary, you have a good point! MaryG: Also, in this case, our teachers could see the discussion
DafneG: where the pieces of information from each individual are
DafneG agrees with Mary DafneG: the process is crucial TeresaD does too RaeR: Sorry, got to go--kisses to all DafneG: it shows in the final product MaryG: One thing I found frustrating was lack of time to chat about
the DafneG: 4 weeks is a very short time MaryG: Val and I did some emailing too as well as the discussion. TeresaD: bye rae ValerieTra: How does one agree without typing in anything? DafneG: bye Rae MaryG: By Rae! DafneG: right, Val RaeR left the room (signed off). DafneG: by the end of the course we will put together all the tables
on MaryG: The written text was crucial. DennisOl: Sorry for the silence. Someone was here to check the
gas TeresaD: better more than less, dennis!!! ;-) DennisOl: I agree about the importance of having individual tasks
in DennisOl: I guess, Tere! MaryG: I'd like to hear what others have to say about the 2nd question
DafneG: second question? DennisOl: I also agree that written communication is essential for us. MaryG: how online exercises can be blended with the syllabus. DafneG: reading and writing are paramount in online learning and
DafneG: very important, Mary MaryG: Which ones have people used and why? DennisOl: I think online exercises can be a very useful way of
DafneG: an exercise is not a lesson per se DennisOl: My grammar students, for example, seem content only to
"know DafneG: right, Dennis DennisOl: That's only the beginning, though, because the rules
just DennisOl: What's imp9ortant is USING the content. MaryG: is the practice opt. in your course, Dennis? DafneG: I mainly use exercises as pre activities for reading, writing,
DennisOl: And at some point, the rules should become automatic anyway. DafneG: and post activities too DafneG: right, learning by using DennisOl: It has been, Mary, but in the hybrid grammar course I'll
be DennisOl: Definitely, Daf. MaryG: I've used websites more for reading and oral communication
than ValerieTra: My online exercises are optional -- but I want to try
DafneG: that is my approach because I teach content-based courses DennisOl: I've found that discussion boards can be wonderful tools
for TeresaD: right, dennis DafneG: and blogs DennisOl: I like the idea of blogs if they can be protected. DafneG: some can be set to be private ValerieTra: I need to run. How does one wave bye? TeresaD: anything that'll make them write will let us know how
vocab DennisOl: I know that some have a privacy setting or a password option. TeresaD waves bye! DafneG: write a colon and then the action DafneG: like this :waves DennisOl bye, Val. ValerieTra waves DafneG claps TeresaD: bye val! DennisOl says and waves bye to Val MaryG: bye val DafneG waves bye to VAl DennisOl yodels ValerieTra left the room (signed off). MaryG left the room (signed off). DafneG: Mary left too DennisOl: Sorry if the message I posted to your whiteboard sounded
DafneG: how is your grading going, Dennis DennisOl: I had a bad experience a week ago when I was supposed
to be DennisOl: I got all the grades in. DafneG: good TeresaD: let me check, dennis! ;-) DafneG: what happened with your project? DennisOl: I still have to finish checking revised research papers
for a TeresaD: not at all, dennis. i quite agree MaryG joined the room. DafneG: wb Mary MaryG: I keep doing that! DafneG: I certainly agree, too, Dennis TeresaD: wb mary DennisOl: I had done a webpage and added links to two different
TeresaD: what experience was that dennis? DennisOl: . . . but forgotten to log into Blackboard. DennisOl: When it was my turn, I was trying to log in, but couldn't
MaryG: Yikes :-( DennisOl: It was assumed that I was having problems, so someone
ran up DennisOl: The second time, he took the mouse out of my hand. DennisOl: It was all done out of a desire to help, but I wasn't
really DennisOl: I ended up walking out of the presentations and getting
very DennisOl: All turned out well finally, though. TeresaD: i can imagine, dennis DafneG: I understand TeresaD: i'm glad DafneG: sure DafneG: we cannot show password-protected pages in Alado MaryG: me too. DennisOl: Me, too! DafneG: what I do is take screenshots of the pages I want to show
and DennisOl: Screenshots would've worked on part of what I wanted
to do, DennisOl: Oops: because DafneG: yes, that's a problem DennisOl: Anyway, it all turned out well. DafneG: I am glad it did :-) DennisOl o) TeresaD: dennis and mary, you can add my office to your Favorite
Places DennisOl: I'll do that, Tere. DennisOl: Ditto for Dafne. MaryG: How do you do that? TeresaD: isn't there an ADD TO MY FAVORITES link? DennisOl: I really prefer using my Mac, though, so I'll have to
go back DafneG: If you have an office you should have that link TeresaD: top right MaryG: You mean at the tope Favorite places. TeresaD: i think so, mary MaryG: And a go next to it? DennisOl: I just added your office, Tere. I'll do the same for
yours, TeresaD: mine only says Favorie Places, but i'm not anywhere else DafneG: thanks, Dennis TeresaD: yes, i think that's it TeresaD: great, dennis DennisOl left the room. DafneG: and I already have you in my favorites, so I do not have
the MaryG: Ok, I think I did it before when I was clicking away ;-) TeresaD: ok, mary MaryG: I better go now too. MaryG: Just logout? DafneG: yes TeresaD: have agreat weekend, mary DafneG: enjoy,, mary and thanks for coming MaryG: Thanks, same to you. MaryG left the room (signed off). DafneG: Dennis is travelling around ;-) TeresaD: lol TeresaD: daf, does your menu at the top right say "Add to me fav..."? TeresaD: my fav... DafneG: no, because you are in my favorites already TeresaD: ok DennisOl joined the room. TeresaD: got it TeresaD: wb dennis DafneG: wb, Dennis TeresaD: travelling, dennis?! ;-) DafneG: I saw you going from one room to another ;-) DennisOl: And now I 've added BOTH of you to my favorites, list.
Yes, TeresaD: good for you! DafneG: thanks DennisOl: I'm enjoying this course. DafneG: glad to hear that, Dennis DennisOl: As one of my students once said, Daf, 'The gust is mine.' DafneG: you know so much, I was afraid it was going to be too DafneG: lol, Dennis DennisOl: No, not at all. TeresaD: i'm very glad, dennis :-) DennisOl: There are always new things to learn. DafneG: my students say they are going to put their work inside
their DennisOl: Besides, there are always new sites that someone else
has TeresaD: it's very nice to hear that, dennis. thank you :-) DennisOl: Yes, I know about carpets, too! DafneG: btw, Denny I am enjoying your messages to the forums DafneG: Dennis DennisOl: One of my students once wrote a very serious essay called
DafneG: he he TeresaD: me too. always so insightful, dennis DennisOl: When I read the title, I thought it was going to be about
DafneG: lol DennisOl: I'm glad I've been able to contribute a bit. TeresaD: you have contributed a lot, dennis DennisOl: Isn't interlanguage fun? DafneG: wonderful DennisOl: Thanks, Tere. TeresaD: it sure is DennisOl: Most of my current students are DafneG: one of my students started a talk saying: I am going to
talk DennisOl: Mande? TeresaD: ??!! DennisOl: Chto eto? DafneG: envelope = is also "about" in Spanish DennisOl: Ah, I see. TeresaD: me too, dennis DafneG: mande, is a good one DennisOl: One of my colleagues wrote an MA thesis on the perils
of DafneG: it must be fun DennisOl: The title was "Between No More and Drink a Chair" TeresaD: that's very interesting! and how true DafneG: he he DafneG: I know that one TeresaD: lol DennisOl: ^o^ DafneG: I show my students this one : between between and drink
a chair DennisOl: Luvit! DafneG: it is a literal translation from Spanish, they laugh a
lot, DennisOl: (though I didn't understand 'fence') DafneG: near DafneG: cerca TeresaD: ah ha DennisOl: Gotcha. thanks. DennisOl: Then there are country-specific versions of a language. DafneG: there sure are DafneG: I had to re-learn Spanish in Spain DennisOl: Sometimes my students from South or Central America don't
DafneG: I understand perfectly DennisOl: The same thing is true with English, of course. DafneG: there are so many variotions even within each country in
south DafneG: variations DennisOl: I'd have to do a LOT of adjusting in Australia. DennisOl: Definitely! DafneG: are you going to Australia? TeresaD: no doubt, dennis DennisOl: No, but I'd love to! DafneG: I see TeresaD: me too DennisOl: In Mexico, there's a beautiful custom called "Las Posadas." DafneG: I would love to go there too TeresaD: ? DennisOl: Part of the tradition is singing various songs. DennisOl: One of the songs is a cute little tune that is called
DennisOl: In some parts of South America, the second word is obscene,
TeresaD: i see DafneG: I was thinking about that word DafneG: it is not bad in venezuela, but I have heard it is in other
DennisOl: A student from Peru was shocked to see it. DafneG: lol DafneG: well, sorry but I have to go, having lunch with my family DennisOl: A friend of mine worked as a nanny in England and used
the TeresaD: enjoy, daf :-) DennisOl: Have a terrifric lunch, Daf! DafneG: thanks, see you around!!! TeresaD: oh dear! that must have been unpleasan t DennisOl: I guess I should go, too, Tere. DafneG: I need to unwind TeresaD: it's been great, dennis DennisOl: Yes, it was VERY unpleasant--at first. Later, everyone
DennisOl: I think so, too, Tere. Go unwind, Daf! TeresaD: great! no hard feelings, then? DafneG: bye DafneG left the room (signed off). |